by Anonymous Coward writes:
on Monday August 26, 2013 @06:38PM (#44681135)
The web server glides on pure inertia. The libraries are not much less work than rolling your own. Their documentation is a joke.
Not really any different to the FSF, and all they really have is the userland for GNU/Linux distributions. In 3 decades they *still* dont have a production kernel.
Not really any different to the FSF, and all they really have is the userland for GNU/Linux distributions. In 3 decades they *still* dont have a production kernel.
The FSF is just doing great, and their kernel is still being developed albeit not on the scale on the similarly licensed and awesome Linux. Which is kind of the point. The reality is the FSF does lots of things. The License still succeeded even if Linus values it for its Tit for Tat qualities as opposed to freedom, but its there, and its close enough to being free software. The also do a little more than a kernel. I someone who is not a Fruit Lover, I personally wished that they had got further with Gnash, a free Flash implementation. I hoped it would open up Flash Development with all the positives without the down sides.
Oh, just drop the prefix on Linux already. Linux is no more GNU/Linux than Minix is GNU/Minix. Consider that the GNU tools were ported to Minix, just like they originally were for Linux, and in the past, Minix has been distributed with a complete GNU toolchain set, just like Linux is. Linux was and is GPL, but it is not and has not ever been part of the GNU project.
So I guess by the same metric, Android isn't Linux either. It is called GNU/Linux, not GNU Linux, the difference being that it is the mix of both tools, not saying that Linux comes from GNU.
Calling it GNU/Linux is suggesting that Linux is just as much a part of the GNU project, as much as gcc, flex, bison, bash, gawk, gdb, and other tools. It is not. It's Linux... not GNU/Linux... the prefix was added by people who simply got tired of waiting for Hurd when Linux did everything that they wanted, and serendipitously was also released under the GPL, but it was not ever part of the GNU project, so GNU/Linux is as much of a misnomer as BSD Linux (since Linux can be distributed with BSD tools ins
"the prefix was added by people who simply got tired of waiting for Hurd"
Wrong : the prefix was added by Richard Stallman himself, who wanted people to remember that if Linus Torvalds did the kernel, GNU built the ecosystem it resides in.
I heard him in person saying this in a speech over 10 years ago.
Just because RMS makes up the notion that Linux is somehow part of the GNU project doesn't make it so.
Let's try a car analogy.... I might manufacture almost all of the parts for an an automobile body, but when somebody else puts those pieces together into a single car, the car is still branded with *their* name... not mine.
Redhat Linux, Slackware Linux, Debian Linux, Gentoo Linux, Ubuntu Linux.... these are all reasonable. GNU, however... does not construct their own distribution of Linux, so GNU/Linu
Are you sure that after you read the facts - you come to that conclusion? I suppose if you have a Freightliner brand semi truck, and a Acme123 Diesel Engine product as the engine - you say you have a Acme123 truck?
You also know you can run Debian(and friends) on a Linux kernel, FreeBSD kernel, or Hurd kernel - with the same user land tools? That's because of GNU! Any of those kernels on their own would be crippled without the incredible suite of userland tools GNU provides. The idea that you don't want to g
I have no problem giving credit to a valuable toolchain... but as I said, I've used other systems that had utilized the GNU tools... but that doesn't make them part of the GNU project. The tools were ported to Linux, just as they were to every other OS that exist for. It's Linux, not GNU/Linux, any more than HPUX, Minix, or AIX become "GNU" simply because the toolchains were ported to them as well.
Were there fewer fools, knaves would starve.
- Anonymous
Name me some quality Apache products (Score:1, Troll)
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The web server glides on pure inertia. The libraries are not much less work than rolling your own. Their documentation is a joke.
Not really any different to the FSF, and all they really have is the userland for GNU/Linux distributions. In 3 decades they *still* dont have a production kernel.
Linus is Awesome (Score:4, Interesting)
Not really any different to the FSF, and all they really have is the userland for GNU/Linux distributions. In 3 decades they *still* dont have a production kernel.
The FSF is just doing great, and their kernel is still being developed albeit not on the scale on the similarly licensed and awesome Linux. Which is kind of the point. The reality is the FSF does lots of things. The License still succeeded even if Linus values it for its Tit for Tat qualities as opposed to freedom, but its there, and its close enough to being free software. The also do a little more than a kernel. I someone who is not a Fruit Lover, I personally wished that they had got further with Gnash, a free Flash implementation. I hoped it would open up Flash Development with all the positives without the down sides.
The bottom Line is Linus is so Amazing
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So I guess by the same metric, Android isn't Linux either. It is called GNU/Linux, not GNU Linux, the difference being that it is the mix of both tools, not saying that Linux comes from GNU.
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Calling it GNU/Linux is suggesting that Linux is just as much a part of the GNU project, as much as gcc, flex, bison, bash, gawk, gdb, and other tools. It is not. It's Linux... not GNU/Linux... the prefix was added by people who simply got tired of waiting for Hurd when Linux did everything that they wanted, and serendipitously was also released under the GPL, but it was not ever part of the GNU project, so GNU/Linux is as much of a misnomer as BSD Linux (since Linux can be distributed with BSD tools ins
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"the prefix was added by people who simply got tired of waiting for Hurd"
Wrong : the prefix was added by Richard Stallman himself, who wanted people to remember that if Linus Torvalds did the kernel, GNU built the ecosystem it resides in.
I heard him in person saying this in a speech over 10 years ago.
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I never heard RMS talk about GNU/Minix; I did about GNU/Linux
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Just because RMS makes up the notion that Linux is somehow part of the GNU project doesn't make it so.
Let's try a car analogy.... I might manufacture almost all of the parts for an an automobile body, but when somebody else puts those pieces together into a single car, the car is still branded with *their* name... not mine.
Redhat Linux, Slackware Linux, Debian Linux, Gentoo Linux, Ubuntu Linux.... these are all reasonable. GNU, however... does not construct their own distribution of Linux, so GNU/Linu
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RMS is incorrect. It is no more important for Linux than it is for Minix, which was also built with gcc.
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Are you sure that after you read the facts - you come to that conclusion? I suppose if you have a Freightliner brand semi truck, and a Acme123 Diesel Engine product as the engine - you say you have a Acme123 truck?
You also know you can run Debian(and friends) on a Linux kernel, FreeBSD kernel, or Hurd kernel - with the same user land tools? That's because of GNU! Any of those kernels on their own would be crippled without the incredible suite of userland tools GNU provides. The idea that you don't want to g
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