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Apache OpenOffice, the Schrodinger's Application: No One Knows If It's Dead or Alive, No One Really Wants To Look Inside (theregister.co.uk) 98

British IT news outlet The Register looks at the myriad of challenges Apache OpenOffice faces today. From the report: Last year Brett Porter, then chairman of the Apache Software Foundation, contemplated whether a proposed official blog post on the state of Apache OpenOffice (AOO) might discourage people from downloading the software due to lack of activity in the project. No such post from the software's developers surfaced. The languid pace of development at AOO, though, has been an issue since 2011 after Oracle (then patron of the project) got into a fork-fight with The Document Foundation, which created LibreOffice from the OpenOffice codebase, and asked developers backing the split to resign.

Back in 2015, Red Hat developer Christian Schaller called OpenOffice "all but dead." Assertions to that effect have continued since, alongside claims to the contrary. Almost a year ago, Jim Jagielski, a member of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee, insisted things were going well and claimed there was renewed interest in the project. For all the concern about AOO, no issues have been raised recently before the Apache Foundation board to suggest ongoing difficulties. The project is due to provide an update this month, according to a spokesperson for the foundation.

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Apache OpenOffice, the Schrodinger's Application: No One Knows If It's Dead or Alive, No One Really Wants To Look Inside

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  • Build manager (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Do they have an official build manager yet? Last that I remember was that they couldn't get a compiled version out the door because no one was left who knew how to build it.

  • Might it just be (gasp) finished?
    • Re:Done! (Score:5, Informative)

      by slack_justyb ( 862874 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @01:39PM (#57462592)

      Depends on what you mean by finished?

      LibreOffice has added more Calc functions than AOO. LO also has patched up UNO allowing for faster run and has added wrappers for VBA scripts into UNO calls. OOXML support in AAO is horrible, LO has greatly improved OOXML since the split. The backends for Base in LO is moving away from Java, slowly, but eventually Java will not be needed unless you need JDBC connectivity. LO included recent ODF updates that allow font embedding in documents, AOO lacks this ability. AOO is using the old IBM Symphony libs for the sidebar and some other UI elements. LO has redone these to move away from the dependency on IBM libs. IBM has also deprecated those libs.

      So yeah AOO might be finished and focuses on just polishing the features they have, but at the same time LO is adding features which because of the licensing differences between the two any LO updates cannot be imported into AOO. But any AOO updates can be merged into LO.

      • Re:Done! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Aighearach ( 97333 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @03:38PM (#57463464)

        I have a 10 year old computer that used to lag running OO, but the past few years it runs libreoffice without any problems.

        The thing Sun wrote was bloated and slow. OO added a lot of features. LO is basically "finished" IMO.

        One of the great things about IBM, when their old software sucks, they deprecate it. There was a time they were even bribing their professional services clients to switch from AIX to Linux, because AIX didn't have any use case other than "change is hard." Not very much of the software I use is from IBM, but when it is I welcome it. They don't always have my interests in mind, but that's OK because they're honest about their technology in a way that few companies are. I'm not going to use DB2, but they don't try to force me; their stuff integrates fine with PostgreSQL! $lt;3 But yeah, let Lotus Symphony die. There are still people who love Lotus Notes, which is fine for them, but who loves Lotus Symphony? It was like Geocities website builder but for creating proprietary apps. That works better for having semi-technical people write custom report apps than for real software that would get distributed.

        • by hawk ( 1151 )

          >The thing Sun wrote was bloated and slow. OO added a lot of features. LO is basically "finished" IMO.

          sun didn't write it, but rather bought it.

          It was part of their vision of a return to more powerful central servers with smart terminals. OO would run on the center, and display, with your sun-session able to follow you from machine to machine.

          OO originally came from a german company whose name slips mind, and was free for commercial and academic use, with a paid commercial version.

          I used it from version

        • by hawk ( 1151 )

          Sun didn't write it; they bought StarOffice from the german companyStarDivision (or some such)

          I''d used StarOffice since 1.x, except for the horrific 4.x with the "feature" of its own desktop.

          Sun's vision was a return to powerful central computers, but this time with smart to very smart terminals. Your session could follow you from one to another, as it was really running centrally.

          They needed an office suite to run on the center, and StarOffice already ran on X.

          As their plan was to make the money from the

          • except for the horrific 4.x with the "feature" of its own desktop

            Oh I'm pretty sure I'm the odd one out when I say, that I hated that feature, but then it really grew on me. But looking back, I totally understand why everyone hated it. But still, I really started to enjoy it but yeah it was bad. I think it took a special kind of masochist to like it.

            • by hawk ( 1151 )

              What made it s unusable was not just the grab of scree space, so that empty "desktop" blocked access sot other application, but that this effectively brought *all* of its documents to the front, and took away focus-follows-mouse access to other documents.

              I thought that losing focus-follows-mouse would be the hardest part of switching back to mac, but it turned to be only #2--not being able to select and middle-click to paste was the biggest.

              hawk

          • In college they taught single document interface and multiple document interface as a personal preference, with no best practices.

            Now they teach some nonsense about how even having features confuses the user.

  • Fork Tree (Score:5, Informative)

    by Daetrin ( 576516 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @12:30PM (#57462052)
    Forks and derivative software [wikipedia.org]

    Well that looks like a mess! At least the re-mergers keep it from being a 100% textbook case of the xkcd on standards? [xkcd.com]

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    • Forks and derivative software [wikipedia.org] Well that looks like a mess! At least the re-mergers keep it from being a 100% textbook case of the xkcd on standards? [xkcd.com] .

      At this point it hardly even makes sense to refer to LibreOffice as a fork, except in the barest historical sense.

      More like "OpenOffice is a primitive ancestor of LibreOffice" or something.

      It's like insisting on always calling Joomla a "fork of Mambo" or something ...

  • issues (Score:5, Insightful)

    by cascadingstylesheet ( 140919 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @12:31PM (#57462072) Journal

    For all the concern about AOO, no issues have been raised recently before the Apache Foundation board to suggest ongoing difficulties.

    I think it would have to have some remaining users to have issues filed, wouldn't it?

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Everyone switched to libre. Why should anyone care about it? Is it somehow better than LO? If you want us to care, convince us it is worth caring,. WTF with the privileged pity party.

    • by Targon ( 17348 )

      The only thing that OpenOffice has going for it is printing envelopes works, while it is broken in LibreOffice(it doesn't set the page size correctly). So, going back to OpenOffice for those who insist on printing envelopes is an option for those people.

  • by fahrbot-bot ( 874524 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @12:43PM (#57462186)

    Almost a year ago, Jim Jagielski, a member of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee, insisted things were going well and claimed there was renewed interest in the project.

    It's dead Jim.

  • Considering the LibreOffice success, why would OpenOffice continue?

    Isn't one of the beauties of open source it's resilience when something becomes abandonware?

    OpenOffice is dead... long live LibreOffice... or Neo... or whatever it's called....

    • If I remember correctly wasn't there a bunch of devs jumping ship to go to libreoffice at one point? Which would explain why libreoffice is more popular and has a faster release cycle.

  • As it stands, I don't even know what they would even *claim* to offer over LibreOffice, they haven't exactly conveyed anything except 'well we aren't dead yet', so I have no idea why I should even think about caring at this point.

    • Does it matter much? If you get the 2012 version and it still works then why be anxious over new versions?

    • by Sabriel ( 134364 )

      Has LO yet fixed the PDF export bug that occasionally and secretly* mangles your text just because you used a different font? I went back to OO because of this.

      * In LO, at least the 5.x and 6.x versions I've used, the text in the exported PDF _looks_ fine but if you actually highlight and copy-paste it, the results are occasionally not what you'd expect.

  • Schrodinger doesn't actually possess the application so it should be "...The Schrondiger Application..." as in an adjective modifying the noun application...
  • by gweihir ( 88907 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @01:19PM (#57462458)

    LibreOffice is working fine and does not come with the baggage idiots playing politics have attached to OpenOffice. This is one fork that worked as it should: With all the smart and competent moving to the fork and leaving the idiots behind to fail as they deserve.

  • Those that download OpenOffice are people that have not heard of LibreOffice.
    What keeps the downloads of OpenOffice is the legacy name.

    The development of OpenOffice has effectively stopped.
    The people that offer to help OpenOffice are not experienced programmers.
    They suggest to help with documentation and still the OpenOffice documentation is so out of date.

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Thursday October 11, 2018 @01:48PM (#57462662)
    I still use OpenOffice Calc 4.1.5 on a daily basis to keep job book. I always download each LibreOffice, but have not taken the time to switch over. I always put work I get paid for at the top of my list ;) The one thing I do know is I will not use any online cloud based product, pointing at you Adobe DC, Microsoft Office local install or Microsoft O365 or Google docs in running my business.
    OpenOffice vs LibreOffice I am agnostic they are just tools. And I don't get paid to fiddle with tools I just use them to do work.

    Just my 2 cents ;)
  • Hasn't OpenOffice effectively already been replaced by LibreOffice?
  • Almost a year ago, Jim Jagielski, a member of the Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee, insisted things were going well and claimed there was renewed interest in the project.

    Sorry guys, that was just me looking to see whether it was still possible to convert 15 year old files from .SDW format to .ODT when I transferred old data to a new PC.

  • When the project arrived in Apache Foundation's hands, LibreOffice had already started moving forward and improving...

    Instead of trying to catch up, they started to change the code to replace GPL parts with non-GPL for political reasons, resulting in being even more late in the race.

    Most developpers saw an active community, working on improving a tool and another one who was fiddling around, doing some pointless work... and those who wanted to improve OpenOffice went to the most active one : L

  • Put a "Smokey the Bear" hat on it and call it "Carl"!

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